Comments on: Networked learning in a networked world http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/ Free, Libre and Open Source Software in Education Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:19:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Tleinone http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-276 Tleinone Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:47:26 +0000 http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/#comment-276 <p>Thanks Wilfred, </p><p>Interesting. I don't agree with the definition of the "networked learning", as it is in the dissertation, but there is a lot of interesting things in it.</p> Thanks Wilfred,

Interesting. I don't agree with the definition of the "networked learning", as it is in the dissertation, but there is a lot of interesting things in it.

]]> By: Wilfred Rubens http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-275 Wilfred Rubens Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:47:04 +0000 http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/#comment-275 <p>Hi Teemu,</p><p>Do you know Maarten de Laat's dissertation about networked learning? <a href="http://www.e-learning.nl/files/dissertatie%20maarten.pdf">http://www.e-learning.nl/files/dissertatie%20maarten.pdf...</a></p> Hi Teemu,

Do you know Maarten de Laat's dissertation about networked learning? http://www.e-learning.nl/files/dissertatie%20maarten.pdf...

]]> By: Tleinone http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-274 Tleinone Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:22:37 +0000 http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/#comment-274 <p>Pubs and public saunas are good places for informal networked learning (see, I just came up with a new term and maybe accepting some of Leighs thoughts). In pubs and saunas there are very little outside given hierarchy and everybody has a right to talk with everybody. </p><p>Anyway, I think we should have terms that will define “learning” that is not informal and purely accidental and random. Anyway maybe we must talk about “informal networked learning”, “non-formal networked learning” and “formal networked learning” – if it is even possible in a formal context.</p> Pubs and public saunas are good places for informal networked learning (see, I just came up with a new term and maybe accepting some of Leighs thoughts). In pubs and saunas there are very little outside given hierarchy and everybody has a right to talk with everybody.

Anyway, I think we should have terms that will define “learning” that is not informal and purely accidental and random. Anyway maybe we must talk about “informal networked learning”, “non-formal networked learning” and “formal networked learning” – if it is even possible in a formal context.

]]> By: Tleinone http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-273 Tleinone Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:10:47 +0000 http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/#comment-273 <p>Leigh: networked learning is now becoming a synonym for “life”. So, why not call it just “informal learning”? is there some reason why you want to live outside meditation and sleeping? :-) </p><p>No man is an island. :-)</p> Leigh: networked learning is now becoming a synonym for “life”. So, why not call it just “informal learning”? is there some reason why you want to live outside meditation and sleeping? :-)

No man is an island. :-)

]]> By: Leigh http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-272 Leigh Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:55:55 +0000 http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/#comment-272 <p>Hmm, well I reckon it rests on what we find acceptable to call a network :) I am happy with a network being a largely ungrouped, informal and mostly distant connection between individuals, information, media, groups and other nodes. I wouldn't call my group of friends a network is all. The pub is an interesting analogy too. I might go to the pub as an individual for the chance to be around other people and talk about what ever.. the quality of Finnish bear perhaps.. to me this is networked learning. It is the same as if I go to the blogasphere and set up my own blog to talk about education. I don't really mind who I meet and talk with, all I hope to do is meet people and connect. It is after I make this connection and build a stronger relationship that I might then form a group such as FLNW and focus the learning and even set objectives. This, I think, is different to networked learning.</p> Hmm, well I reckon it rests on what we find acceptable to call a network :) I am happy with a network being a largely ungrouped, informal and mostly distant connection between individuals, information, media, groups and other nodes. I wouldn't call my group of friends a network is all. The pub is an interesting analogy too. I might go to the pub as an individual for the chance to be around other people and talk about what ever.. the quality of Finnish bear perhaps.. to me this is networked learning. It is the same as if I go to the blogasphere and set up my own blog to talk about education. I don't really mind who I meet and talk with, all I hope to do is meet people and connect. It is after I make this connection and build a stronger relationship that I might then form a group such as FLNW and focus the learning and even set objectives. This, I think, is different to networked learning.

]]> By: Tleinone http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-271 Tleinone Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:58:37 +0000 http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/#comment-271 <p>The problem of the edublogasphere (and actually the whole blogasphere) in the context of learning is that people in the sphere do not - at least often - form any groups (an entity of individuals with an objective). For sure people learn in the edublogasphere, but so do they learn in a local pub. I am actually sure that sometime you learn much more important things in the local pub than in the edublogasphere. So, all this is simply "informal learning" that happens regardless what we do or even if we are awake or sleeping. </p><p>For me the "network" in the term "networked learning" means the social network, not the technical infrastructure. Some people in our social networks are willing to commit their time and effort to work on to understand and act with us, most of them are not. Those that are willing to do this makes "networked learning" possible, those who just hang around are simply offering us input in our daily informal learning. Both are important, but if we call the "informal networking" part also "networked learning", what is anymore left outside? Meditation? Sleeping?</p> The problem of the edublogasphere (and actually the whole blogasphere) in the context of learning is that people in the sphere do not – at least often – form any groups (an entity of individuals with an objective). For sure people learn in the edublogasphere, but so do they learn in a local pub. I am actually sure that sometime you learn much more important things in the local pub than in the edublogasphere. So, all this is simply "informal learning" that happens regardless what we do or even if we are awake or sleeping.

For me the "network" in the term "networked learning" means the social network, not the technical infrastructure. Some people in our social networks are willing to commit their time and effort to work on to understand and act with us, most of them are not. Those that are willing to do this makes "networked learning" possible, those who just hang around are simply offering us input in our daily informal learning. Both are important, but if we call the "informal networking" part also "networked learning", what is anymore left outside? Meditation? Sleeping?

]]> By: Leigh http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-270 Leigh Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:25:15 +0000 http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/12/19/networked-learning-in-a-networked-world/#comment-270 <p>Hi Teemu, nice summary. I really like the connection between criminals and FLNW people :) I like that alot in a strange type of way...</p><p>I wonder though, does it follow that networked learning be non-formal? If a criminals are networked by virtue of their occupation or cultural setting, then they group based on common interests and complimentary perspectives, then they learn non formally by organising a meeting.. then the network part is separate to the group part and therefore the non formal part. They do appear to be connected in the sequence but not necessarily... networked learning might be more like the hidden curriculum you have referred to elsewhere. The intangibles that emerge from the network or cultural setting.</p><p>So, for example - the edublogasphere.. is a network of bloggers writing about education. They are networked by virtue of their common use of the Internet and blogs to communicate.. but they are not grouped yet. They learn from each other still, but it is more distant than in a group or non formal learning process. FLNW is a group that emerges out of the edublog network and other groups and networks. But the learning that goes on in that group is different to the informal or hidden learning that goes on in the networks. </p><p>Ah...! here we go again :) it is an interesting discussion and I hope we are all willing to have another belt at it. Thanks for bringing it up again Teemu? Your fellow groupie who used to be nothing more than a node in your network :)</p> Hi Teemu, nice summary. I really like the connection between criminals and FLNW people :) I like that alot in a strange type of way…

I wonder though, does it follow that networked learning be non-formal? If a criminals are networked by virtue of their occupation or cultural setting, then they group based on common interests and complimentary perspectives, then they learn non formally by organising a meeting.. then the network part is separate to the group part and therefore the non formal part. They do appear to be connected in the sequence but not necessarily… networked learning might be more like the hidden curriculum you have referred to elsewhere. The intangibles that emerge from the network or cultural setting.

So, for example – the edublogasphere.. is a network of bloggers writing about education. They are networked by virtue of their common use of the Internet and blogs to communicate.. but they are not grouped yet. They learn from each other still, but it is more distant than in a group or non formal learning process. FLNW is a group that emerges out of the edublog network and other groups and networks. But the learning that goes on in that group is different to the informal or hidden learning that goes on in the networks.

Ah…! here we go again :) it is an interesting discussion and I hope we are all willing to have another belt at it. Thanks for bringing it up again Teemu? Your fellow groupie who used to be nothing more than a node in your network :)

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