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		<title>Comment on iPad &#8211; &#8220;non-distractive technology&#8221; for schools by Teemu Leinonen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teemu Leinonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Offray: I remember your cleaver one-man-educational-technology-band. Love it! :-)

Have a look of this post, too: 

http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/22/a-simple-ict-devices-with-simple-linux-to-be-used-in-schools/

There are some more thoughts about using touch screen devices in schools / universities. In a case of schools one need a proper QWERT keyboard, but those with Bluetooth could be available everywhere in the campus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offray: I remember your cleaver one-man-educational-technology-band. Love it! <img src='http://flosse.blogging.fi/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Have a look of this post, too: </p>
<p><a href="http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/22/a-simple-ict-devices-with-simple-linux-to-be-used-in-schools/" rel="nofollow">http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/22/a-simple-ict-devices-with-simple-linux-to-be-used-in-schools/</a></p>
<p>There are some more thoughts about using touch screen devices in schools / universities. In a case of schools one need a proper QWERT keyboard, but those with Bluetooth could be available everywhere in the campus.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finland and education export: IKEA of schools? by Teemu Leinonen</title>
		<link>http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/18/finland-and-education-export-ikea-of-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>Teemu Leinonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the &quot;anonymity&quot; - it was unintentional. It looks that in the single permalink page of the blog we are missing the authors name.

Ruth: I think there are many opportunities in online language learning. For instance, have you tried Busuu (it is not from Finland, but from Spain): 

http://www.busuu.com/

I think it is a great service and actually I actually  considered to pay their monthly fee (7.99 €/month) to improve my Spanish. I felt that even that I have free access to one of the world best language courses in the my University (Aalto University) the price of Busuu was reasonable because it provides me freedom from time and space to study. A sad this is that just when I was becoming a paying customer they screw up: post, probably by mistake, some of my written work publicly online without my permission and never replied me when I asked about it. 

Petri: What are the top US/UK Universities building and opening campuses in China or India? I haven&#039;t seen a single one. If I am wrong, let me know. 

I think trying to get to the international educational market with &quot;content&quot; (as it is commonly understood) would be a huge mistake. Content is still the king, the content is just today different.

We need &quot;content&quot; that is well-designed products, concepts, services etc. - something like a clever and affordable ICT devices for schools and universities (http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/22/a-simple-ict-devices-with-simple-linux-to-be-used-in-schools/) or hmm... Busuu. 

Leigh: I think the Finnish Government should hire you to run the &quot;Education Export project&quot;. Free hint for the Ministry of Education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the &#8220;anonymity&#8221; &#8211; it was unintentional. It looks that in the single permalink page of the blog we are missing the authors name.</p>
<p>Ruth: I think there are many opportunities in online language learning. For instance, have you tried Busuu (it is not from Finland, but from Spain): </p>
<p><a href="http://www.busuu.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.busuu.com/</a></p>
<p>I think it is a great service and actually I actually  considered to pay their monthly fee (7.99 €/month) to improve my Spanish. I felt that even that I have free access to one of the world best language courses in the my University (Aalto University) the price of Busuu was reasonable because it provides me freedom from time and space to study. A sad this is that just when I was becoming a paying customer they screw up: post, probably by mistake, some of my written work publicly online without my permission and never replied me when I asked about it. </p>
<p>Petri: What are the top US/UK Universities building and opening campuses in China or India? I haven&#8217;t seen a single one. If I am wrong, let me know. </p>
<p>I think trying to get to the international educational market with &#8220;content&#8221; (as it is commonly understood) would be a huge mistake. Content is still the king, the content is just today different.</p>
<p>We need &#8220;content&#8221; that is well-designed products, concepts, services etc. &#8211; something like a clever and affordable ICT devices for schools and universities (<a href="http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/22/a-simple-ict-devices-with-simple-linux-to-be-used-in-schools/" rel="nofollow">http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/22/a-simple-ict-devices-with-simple-linux-to-be-used-in-schools/</a>) or hmm&#8230; Busuu. </p>
<p>Leigh: I think the Finnish Government should hire you to run the &#8220;Education Export project&#8221;. Free hint for the Ministry of Education.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finland and education export: IKEA of schools? by Leighblackall</title>
		<link>http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/18/finland-and-education-export-ikea-of-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Leighblackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 03:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As some one who often thinks of Finland, 3 things come to mind:

Free education
Design
A friend

I would very much like to see a concise ROI done for Finnish free education. A method that I could take and adjust for the Australian situation. I hope by using this tool, I might be able to show a positive ROI for a free education system in Australia.. such a thing would give a little weight to preserving free education in Finland - if Australian&#039;s are reconsidering their export business model...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As some one who often thinks of Finland, 3 things come to mind:</p>
<p>Free education<br />
Design<br />
A friend</p>
<p>I would very much like to see a concise ROI done for Finnish free education. A method that I could take and adjust for the Australian situation. I hope by using this tool, I might be able to show a positive ROI for a free education system in Australia.. such a thing would give a little weight to preserving free education in Finland &#8211; if Australian&#8217;s are reconsidering their export business model&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on iPad &#8211; &#8220;non-distractive technology&#8221; for schools by Offray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Offray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Teemu,

Nice to read you and see your visions about this wave of portable touching devices. In fact since I changed my usual previous laptop to a touch one (the lenovo X61) and after using with with a small portable video beam as my cheap touch blackboard I told to myself that touch computing will be the future and I don&#039;t image myself going backwards. But I don&#039;t thint that the slate form factor of Ipad or Archos or N900 is for everyone. I don&#039;t image myself wirting long code or mails on a slate and lossing real state of the screen for thing that requiere a lot of it (like desing), So I think that tablets with a new interface will do it fine also in this market and will be better, for example in Universities and high school. Asus is trying some of that changes on Interface while keeping some continuity with the Windows old one interface and I think that some continuity is important, so we don&#039;t have a intitutionalized learning environment that is disconnected from the rest of the world (the one we have now with &quot;office centered education&quot; is too much connected).
My point is that in this context of going from one user experience and change from a culture of PC to other ones, mixed and continuos points, from software/hardware and interfaces will be needed.

Cheers,

Offray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Teemu,</p>
<p>Nice to read you and see your visions about this wave of portable touching devices. In fact since I changed my usual previous laptop to a touch one (the lenovo X61) and after using with with a small portable video beam as my cheap touch blackboard I told to myself that touch computing will be the future and I don&#8217;t image myself going backwards. But I don&#8217;t thint that the slate form factor of Ipad or Archos or N900 is for everyone. I don&#8217;t image myself wirting long code or mails on a slate and lossing real state of the screen for thing that requiere a lot of it (like desing), So I think that tablets with a new interface will do it fine also in this market and will be better, for example in Universities and high school. Asus is trying some of that changes on Interface while keeping some continuity with the Windows old one interface and I think that some continuity is important, so we don&#8217;t have a intitutionalized learning environment that is disconnected from the rest of the world (the one we have now with &#8220;office centered education&#8221; is too much connected).<br />
My point is that in this context of going from one user experience and change from a culture of PC to other ones, mixed and continuos points, from software/hardware and interfaces will be needed.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Offray</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finland and education export: IKEA of schools? by Petri Lounaskorpi</title>
		<link>http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/18/finland-and-education-export-ikea-of-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>Petri Lounaskorpi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree this anonymous writer, with small invests one gets small results. 
On the other hand, there is a reason why Big US and other universities are opening filials in China, India etc.

If the funds don&#039;t support content creation, there aren&#039;t any good for sale.

Sonera is still our own trademark, I don&#039;t know anybody else who is going to buy air...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree this anonymous writer, with small invests one gets small results.<br />
On the other hand, there is a reason why Big US and other universities are opening filials in China, India etc.</p>
<p>If the funds don&#8217;t support content creation, there aren&#8217;t any good for sale.</p>
<p>Sonera is still our own trademark, I don&#8217;t know anybody else who is going to buy air&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finland and education export: IKEA of schools? by Ruth Vilmi</title>
		<link>http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/18/finland-and-education-export-ikea-of-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth Vilmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of good points here from this anonymous writer. I agree with his views on keeping education free in Finland. 

I don&#039;t see how Finns could sell international schools abroad though using Finnish teachers - the Finnish system could be used, but only if the teachers don&#039;t speak Finglish, and if it&#039;s marketed very cleverly. Also, Finland could design, sell good online courses abroad if they paid native speakers of XXX language as tutors. I wouldn&#039;t advise it as a way to make money though, having coordinated the International Writing Exchange (IWE) since 1993. It worked well when it was free and I had groups of active students myself, but it was never a viable business product. http://www.writeit.fi/ruth/publications-and-projects/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of good points here from this anonymous writer. I agree with his views on keeping education free in Finland. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how Finns could sell international schools abroad though using Finnish teachers &#8211; the Finnish system could be used, but only if the teachers don&#8217;t speak Finglish, and if it&#8217;s marketed very cleverly. Also, Finland could design, sell good online courses abroad if they paid native speakers of XXX language as tutors. I wouldn&#8217;t advise it as a way to make money though, having coordinated the International Writing Exchange (IWE) since 1993. It worked well when it was free and I had groups of active students myself, but it was never a viable business product. <a href="http://www.writeit.fi/ruth/publications-and-projects/" rel="nofollow">http://www.writeit.fi/ruth/publications-and-projects/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Finland and education export: IKEA of schools? by gregrenu</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregrenu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 05:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I edited the following comment and removed some information from it, to make it non-functional as an advertisement. This is, however, an interesting example of education business in 2010. - Teemu

Established in 1997, XXX Edu-Guidance is a leading education consultancy services providing exemplary service to students all over India. We deal in Admissions to all major professional courses in Premier Institutes across India. We are your one step solution for all career related needs, it may be MD, MBBS BE, BTech (ALL BRANCHES), , MDS, BDS, BPharm, BArch, MBA, MTech, MS, , PhD or any other courses. We provide personalized career solutions on an individual basis keeping in mind the aspirations of our client as well as the affordability factor.
FOR ALL CAREER RELATED NEEDS CONTACT US :
XXX Edu-Guidance,
XXX, 
XXX,
XXX - P O, 
Bangalore 
XXX
XXX
XXX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I edited the following comment and removed some information from it, to make it non-functional as an advertisement. This is, however, an interesting example of education business in 2010. &#8211; Teemu</p>
<p>Established in 1997, XXX Edu-Guidance is a leading education consultancy services providing exemplary service to students all over India. We deal in Admissions to all major professional courses in Premier Institutes across India. We are your one step solution for all career related needs, it may be MD, MBBS BE, BTech (ALL BRANCHES), , MDS, BDS, BPharm, BArch, MBA, MTech, MS, , PhD or any other courses. We provide personalized career solutions on an individual basis keeping in mind the aspirations of our client as well as the affordability factor.<br />
FOR ALL CAREER RELATED NEEDS CONTACT US :<br />
XXX Edu-Guidance,<br />
XXX,<br />
XXX,<br />
XXX &#8211; P O,<br />
Bangalore<br />
XXX<br />
XXX<br />
XXX</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finland and education export: IKEA of schools? by Teemu Leinonen</title>
		<link>http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/02/18/finland-and-education-export-ikea-of-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Teemu Leinonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Third disclaimers: I do not believe in private schools, because in most countries schools that are consider to be &quot;private schools&quot; are not really private, but get part of their funding from the tax payers and only part form the tuition fees. This is wrong. 

For me someone starting a truly private school with all the costs covered by the parents is fine, as long as they follow the national curriculum. For some reason I do not see this happening very much in any place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Third disclaimers: I do not believe in private schools, because in most countries schools that are consider to be &#8220;private schools&#8221; are not really private, but get part of their funding from the tax payers and only part form the tuition fees. This is wrong. </p>
<p>For me someone starting a truly private school with all the costs covered by the parents is fine, as long as they follow the national curriculum. For some reason I do not see this happening very much in any place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on iPad &#8211; &#8220;non-distractive technology&#8221; for schools by Trevor M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post about the iPad helping in the classroom.  On my blog I talk a lot about this as well.  My most recent post has been how the iPad is not just a media consumption device as it is being heavily touted as being excellent at doing, but it will also be a very powerful media creation device as well.  You can read more about this at http://www.edutechnophobia.com/2010/02/the-ipad-is-a-media-creation-device/.  Please check it out and let me know what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post about the iPad helping in the classroom.  On my blog I talk a lot about this as well.  My most recent post has been how the iPad is not just a media consumption device as it is being heavily touted as being excellent at doing, but it will also be a very powerful media creation device as well.  You can read more about this at <a href="http://www.edutechnophobia.com/2010/02/the-ipad-is-a-media-creation-device/" rel="nofollow">http://www.edutechnophobia.com/2010/02/the-ipad-is-a-media-creation-device/</a>.  Please check it out and let me know what you think.</p>
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		<title>Comment on iPad &#8211; &#8220;non-distractive technology&#8221; for schools by Teemu Leinonen</title>
		<link>http://flosse.blogging.fi/2010/01/28/ipad-non-distractive-technology-for-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-562</link>
		<dc:creator>Teemu Leinonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Philip. Didn&#039;t know that. 

The Apple&#039;s &quot;Knowledge Navigator&quot; 1987 vision is pretty much everyday life today for University faculty. Thanks to Skype, Facebook, Blogs, Wikis etc. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdS4TscWH8&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Philip. Didn&#8217;t know that. </p>
<p>The Apple&#8217;s &#8220;Knowledge Navigator&#8221; 1987 vision is pretty much everyday life today for University faculty. Thanks to Skype, Facebook, Blogs, Wikis etc. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdS4TscWH8&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdS4TscWH8&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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